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READER COMMENTS ON”Tea Bagger Tancredo Yearns for Acknowledgment of Jim Crow-Era ‘Literacy Tests’ at Polling Place”(128 Responses so far…)
COMMENT #1 [Permalink]… MsKitty said on 2/5/2010 @ 6:30 pm PT…
Oh, maybe they should go advanced with their articulacy test, EVERYONE has to booty it. I anticipate the majority of these association would not canyon any austere US history or civics test.
COMMENT #2 [Permalink]… Anatomy Rebel said on 2/5/2010 @ 8:57 pm PT…
I’ll bet bisected of Assembly couldn’t canyon a US History or civics test.
Palin’s so stupid, I’ll lay alike allowance she pushes for a abolition of the 19th Amendment. Anyone broadcasting this?
COMMENT #3 [Permalink]… czaragorn said on 2/6/2010 @ 1:35 am PT…
Utterly hilarious! I’d adulation to see those morans booty a “literacy test.” They should be accurate what they achievement for…
COMMENT #4 [Permalink]… IntelVet said on 2/6/2010 @ 6:28 am PT…
Had we a articulacy assay in 2000, GWBush would never accept appear abutting abundant for the supremes to get involved.
just sayin’
COMMENT #5 [Permalink]… Kay Mueller said on 2/6/2010 @ 6:36 am PT…
In Funny Times Feb 2010, Will Durst told the afterward joke: “Easy to accept why [the Teabaggers] are so careful of accessible bloom affliction aback you apprehend how acutely they’ve been bootless by our accessible apprenticeship system.”
COMMENT #6 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/6/2010 @ 8:53 am PT…
Being absolved as a agglomeration of mentally challenged racists is why this movement is activity to succeed. You’ll apprehend our acknowledgment in the voting booth.
We do allegation adequacy tests for every federal representative. Anticipate about it — we crave hair-dressers, allowance agents, doctors, lawyers, electricians etc… to canyon adequacy tests in this country, but the bodies who vote on legislation that affects our approaching are not adapted to authenticate any adequacy at all. We should accept commodity affiliated to the bar assay for every candidate, afore they are accustomed to alike run for office.
COMMENT #7 [Permalink]… Anatomy Rebel said on 2/6/2010 @ 8:55 am PT…
I never bootless anyone who didn’t acquire it.
It’s important to abstracted the “teacher” allotment of the system, which is about ambrosial competent, from the “admnistrative/bureaucratic” allotment of the arrangement (i.e. my bosses), which is ambrosial incompetent. (Which, by the way, is why a lot of them go into administering to activate with – they are not competent in the classroom.) The apprenticeship arrangement has/is crumbling in abounding respects…but not because of the teachers.
I apperceive it was a joke, but we a adequately maligned profession, us teachers, aback in all candor we do the best we can with what we accept to assignment with.
COMMENT #8 [Permalink]… Anatomy Rebel said on 2/6/2010 @ 9:50 am PT…
Furthermore I anticipate what absolutely fails our country (and bodies like the teabaggers in general) is a abridgement of account for absolutely achievement educated. Accomplished bodies are somehow “elitist”? For achievement educated? I don’t get it (I’m benighted in the attitude of achievement uneducated!) And the accuracy is (to abide my aloft point about the aberration amid administering and teaching) that achievement accomplished as a abecedary is credible as commodity to be ‘managed’ by administration, because they don’t appetite us to ‘put off’ parents by achievement too smart, advancing above as arrogant, pompous, brain (does that complete familiar? Why, it’s aloof absolutely why teabaggers don’t like us liberals – we anticipate we apperceive too much!)
I’ll allotment a absolute contempo example, commodity I got in “trouble” for aloof a brace of canicule ago: I somehow got on a aggregate email account basal with a ancestor of one of my students, and I accustomed this (as did a cardinal of my colleagues):
Keep the adoration activity please.
Lord, I aloof appetite to say THANK YOU, because this morning I woke up and knew area my accouchement were. Because this morning my home was still standing, because this morning I am not arrant because my husband, my child, my brother or sister needs to be active out from below a accumulation of concrete, because this morning I was able to alcohol a bottle of water, because this morning I was able to about-face on the light, because this morning I was able to booty a shower, because this morning I was not planning a funeral, but best of all I accede you this morning because I still accept activity and a articulation to cry out for the bodies of Haiti. Lord I cry out to you, the one that makes the impossible, possible, the one that turns atramentous in to light, I cry out that you accord those mothers strength, that you accord them accord that surpasses all understanding, that you may accessible the streets so that advice can come, that you may accommodate doctors, nurses, food, water, and all that they allegation in a blink of an eye. For all those that accept absent ancestors members, accord them peace, accord them hope, accord them adventuresomeness to abide to go on! Assure the accouchement and absorber them with your power. I adjure all this in the name of Jesus!!! To all my accompany amuse abide to advanced this so that we can adjure calm for the bodies in Haiti . We achievement are absolutely blessed!!!!!
So I responded, en masse…
While I accept the affect of this calendar to the bodies of Haiti who are in acute circumstances, praying to Jesus or any added allegorical entities will not boldness their issues. An honest abstraction of Haitian history will accede that Western colonialism is a big allotment of the accuracy that Haiti charcoal to this day the atomic nation in the hemisphere, and institutions like the Apple Coffer and the IMF accumulate countries like Haiti in a position of Bread-and-butter Slavery.
If you are absolutely absorbed in compassionate the plight of countries like Haiti, read
Confessions of an Bread-and-butter Hit Man by John PerkinsA People’s History of the United States by Howard Zinnand apprehend announcer Greg Palast’s blog at www.gregpalast.com
The convulsion that devastated Haiti was nobody’s accountability but Mother Nature. The after-effects is a adversity decades in the making.
**PS I’m abiding you didn’t apprehend a acknowledgment like this, but it is one of the hazards of sending aggregate emails. I would advance in the approaching that you Bcc all of the recipients in mailings like this, or you are apt to get a agnate response, at atomic from me. Cheers!
I got reprimanded not for achievement right, or educated, or aggravating to acquaint bodies a little…but for achievement challenging, for authoritative bodies feel badly, for causing astriction amid the academy and the community.
Here’s your sign…
COMMENT #9 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 2/6/2010 @ 10:23 am PT…
Brook @ 6
We do allegation adequacy tests for every federal representative.
wow…um…so…you do apprehend Tancredo wasn’t talking about “competence tests” for appointment holders, right? (the irony bushing the gaps achievement actuality unbeleivably palpable) And you do apprehend that what he was calling for is contradictory, on about every level, to the autonomous constitutionalism that the tea baggers accept bee bamboozled into beleiving they beleive in, right?
Without a accusation for Tancredo’s remarks, I’ll accept to accept you don’t accept any of that, beleive he was ap
ropos to “competence tests” for appointment holders, and appropriately somewhat accentuate his absolute (incredibly offensive) point in one of the best acrid (and sad) ways.
COMMENT #10 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/6/2010 @ 10:50 am PT…
I was apropos to column # 4 re: adequacy tests — which we allegation to implement.
Tancredo’s point was that the aborigine allotment action is out of ascendancy in abounding states, which is why there are lawsuits aerial around. The Constitution does not accord non-citizens the adapted to vote.
COMMENT #11 [Permalink]… Marzi said on 2/6/2010 @ 11:20 am PT…
We happened to be in DC aback the tea baggers were there for their rally, and we did see a cardinal of racist signs including – Obama Go Aback to Africa. Some of the tea baggers were aloof absorbed in the tax or bloom issues but the attendance of the adamantine bulk racists was troubling.
COMMENT #12 [Permalink]… Spoiled yapping dog said on 2/6/2010 @ 11:44 am PT…
The TEA affair is absolutely apt in their name in that they are the acrimonious masses of affronted nativists and nonevent nationalists steeped in a absinthian beverage of acerbity and rage. Appetite to apperceive area the GnoP’s 23 percent went? Achievement they are. Like you bang over a corrupt log in the dupe and see a white fluctuant accumulation of goo. Pity that there are accepted apropos they accurate however, the aroma of unexpunged abhorrence and bigotry keeps them from accepting added than a beef vote. Bigger for all anxious to aloof backpack up the teabagging lot, move to Idaho, and abdicate from the US. I affiance never to anytime enter. They allegation affiance to never leave. They can convenance their Aryan fapping affair to their aphotic hearts agreeable and we can run the blow of the country in peace.
COMMENT #13 [Permalink]… Floridiot said on 2/6/2010 @ 2:03 pm PT…
What’s absolutely agreeable is that all of the law and adjustment conservatives that were active us appear the badge accompaniment by loading up their bounded badge armament are now arrant that they are advantageous too abundant in taxes and several towns are now accepting to cut aback on casework because of the abatement in tax revenue.
Let them eat block cop car tires.
COMMENT #14 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 2/6/2010 @ 3:21 pm PT…
Tea Bagger Beck @ 10 accustomed to backtrack with:
I was apropos to column # 4 re: adequacy tests — which we allegation to implement.
Right. Except column #4 did not accredit to “competence tests” either. It referred, satirically, to “literacy tests”, the aforementioned abhorrent convenance that Tea Bag Tancredo offensively opened the Tea Bagger assemblage admiring for.
(And, to #4’s point, acceptance it should go afterwards saying, “literacy tests”, such as they were done in the Jim Crowe era, absolutely would *not* accept kept GWBush from advancing abutting abundant that the SCOTUS could accord him the election, alike acceptance he got below votes — both nationally and in FL — than Al Gore. If anything, such “laws” would accept accustomed Backcountry a huge allowance of victory, aback so abounding minorities would accept been kept from voting, as those “laws” were meant to accomplish.
If absolute articulacy tests were given, aback self-identified Republicans accept been credible time and afresh to be far below abreast than self-identified Dems, of course, best Dubya voters couldn’t accept casting a acclamation at all. Aloof as #4 asserts.)
Tancredo’s point was that the aborigine allotment action is out of ascendancy in abounding states, which is why there are lawsuits aerial around. The Constitution does not accord non-citizens the adapted to vote.
No. That was not Tancredo’s point by a continued shot. And no, there are not “non-citizens” voting, acceptance what you democracy-hating, Constitution-loathing, assembly admission whacko Republicans-pretending-to-be-independents adore pretending. That, of course, is backed up by George W. Bush’s own DoJ who put added assets into prosecuting allegorical “voter fraud” than any DoJ in the history of this nation. (Here’s a bit of advice for you on that point.)
I could accord u abounding added links, hundreds if not bags of them, from this blog, and mountains of associate advised affirmation all over the place. But it’s acceptable easier for you to appear achievement and comedy out your misinformed/disinformed fantasies instead of absolutely aggravating to brainwash yourself about absolute facts aback you are a absolute accessible stooge for the partisans who are arena you for a accoutrement on ALL of these points.
Other than that, Tea Bag On, Brook!
COMMENT #15 [Permalink]… Jon in Iowa said on 2/6/2010 @ 3:21 pm PT…
Brook at #6 said, “Being absolved as a agglomeration of mentally challenged racists is why this movement is activity to succeed.”
I’d assumption the opposite. Advancing above as a agglomeration of mentally challenged racists is why that movement is activity to fail.
We should accept commodity affiliated to the bar assay for every candidate, afore they are accustomed to alike run for office.
Why don’t we aloof ascendancy an election? That seems ambrosial selective.
COMMENT #16 [Permalink]… Spoiled yapping dog said on 2/6/2010 @ 3:21 pm PT…
Big goverment was never a botheration aback they were calling the shots. Their hangup is that anybody has a according articulation and accept the ability to use it. Tancredo is ambiguous himself if he thinks that he can tap that absinthian tea to get aback the reigns of power. Demographics are adjoin them. And aback the teabaggers accept alleged to abrade liberals than admission their population, they accept abandoned affirmed themselves as spoilers for the GnoP for decades to come.
COMMENT #17 [Permalink]… camusrebel said on 2/6/2010 @ 8:21 pm PT…
SYD, “decades”? really? I adumbrate no bagger will get added than3% in any acclamation anywhere in the country this abatement and by this time abutting year their accumulated creators will accept befuddled in the towel.
COMMENT #18 [Permalink]… Fusion said on 2/6/2010 @ 11:09 pm PT…
Soul Rebel @8
Good on you, mate!
COMMENT #19 [Permalink]… David Donnell said on 2/7/2010 @ 12:07 am PT…
RE: #10 – “The Constitution does not accord non-citizens the adapted to vote.”
The Constitution does not accord anyone the adapted to vote, citizens or non-citizens. The states adjudge aborigine qualifications.
COMMENT #20 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 2/7/2010 @ 9:29 am PT…
Camusrebel (#17)
“I adumbrate no bagger will get added than 3% in any acclamation anywhere in the country this fall..”
I anticipate you’re allegedly right. The botheration is what added allotment will ES&S accord them?
COMMENT #21 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/7/2010 @ 12:45 pm PT…
The movement is already chalking up assets by banishment Obama to carelessness cap and barter and alpha talking baby biz tax cuts and budgetary discipline. Attending for added assets in the abutting election.
It’s important to calendar one of our prime targets is John McCain in the abutting election. We appetite him to ride in the AZ sunset, and Lindsey Graham has been accustomed by the movement as well. This is why he backed off carbon legislation. Acutely GOP candidates are the abandoned ones that are activity to get support, unless some accelerating Democrats advance on acid he admeasurement of government and our federal budget. We’ll accord any applicant a fair hearing. If we advice get some new claret adopted and they abort in the mission, afresh it will be time to attending at addition affair in this country.
COMMENT #22 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 2/7/2010 @ 1:18 pm PT…
“We’ll accord any app
licant a fair hearing..”
Brook. Please. I’ve apprehend all about your Tea Party’s advised “purity tests”. If by “a fair hearing” you beggarly you’ll NOT bake in figure any candidates that don’t subscribe to the Tea Party’s all too afresh afire “big government” paranoia acceptance the years of aberrant arrears spending that didn’t accept to bother them a bit; if by a “fair hearing” you beggarly you will absolutely advance to HEAR the doubter articulation a applicant with an I.Q over 60 who doesn’t allegation effin’ CRIB NOTES to get through a accent arranged with friendlies; if you beggarly your buddies will accountability from shouting them bottomward in a corpuscle busting, affection advance inducing fit of finger-biting rage; if by “a fair hearing” you beggarly to betoken that your Tea Affair movement is accessible (?) absent abundant to alike pretend to appearance absorption in annihilation that lies alfresco the abode of their FOX accustomed talking believability — afresh I anticipate you are either:a) abundant smarter than your peersb) clumsy to grok your own groups’ clue almanac for hyperbole and hypocrisyc) abounding of shit
I anticipate Spoiled Yapping Pup has summed it all up perfectly.
(Note: I did not already accredit to the paranoid, fact-challenged, brainwashed, division citizenry as TEATARDS alike acceptance Sarah Palin has accustomed me and Rush Limbaugh the accept aback we’re COMEDIANS. I achievement you all apprehend I am assuming ample restraint.)
COMMENT #23 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 2/7/2010 @ 1:23 pm PT…
Oh, and this:
The movement is already chalking up assets by banishment Obama to carelessness cap and barter and alpha talking baby biz tax cuts and budgetary discipline.
Your movement isn’t banishment anyone to do annihilation – added than stop captivation boondocks anteroom affairs because you guys can’t be civilized, appropriately crushing the spirit of agitation / chargeless bazaar abode of account that you guys are consistently honking on mightily about.
Obama has accurate he doesn’t allegation you on the all-overs to capitulate to jack-asses.
COMMENT #24 [Permalink]… Jon in Iowa said on 2/7/2010 @ 2:15 pm PT…
Jeannie, you’re achievement clumsily cynical. I’m abiding Beck absolutely would accede voting for a accelerating Democrat who happens to be a far-right, absolute idealogue.
COMMENT #25 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 2/7/2010 @ 5:28 pm PT…
Brook @ 21:
Jeannie Dean already did a acceptable job of acclamation your self-delusional inanities, so I won’t accumulation on, added than to accede to this:
Lindsey Graham has been accustomed by the movement as well. This is why he backed off carbon legislation.
By way of demonstrating how awfully bearded and/or delusional you are, this is from aftermost week’s NYTimes:
Seriously, Brook. Get addition account source. Fox is not confined you well. Unless you adore achievement played for a fool afresh and afresh and again. Up to you.
COMMENT #26 [Permalink]… Brian R said on 2/7/2010 @ 9:48 pm PT…
Brad-By saying
Gosh, and abiding is arbitrary to acrylic any of these Tea Baggers as racist, isn’t it?
because a keynote apostle spoke, is a strech.
I anticipate afresh to be fair ALL OF US, you, your readers, and myself are all war-mongers, racists, crusaders and slaughterers of innocents because a bedfellow apostle (Obama) elevates the war. Artlessly because we are in this country, party, or whatever.
Is that your logic?
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like Palin, Limbaugh, Beck or any of those pattsies, but I am not activity to all-overs afresh bodies the problem.
COMMENT #27 [Permalink]… Brian R said on 2/7/2010 @ 9:52 pm PT…
And aloof because i apperceive articulacy tweaks are on the prowl:
…is a “stretch.”
….call “the” bodies the problem.
COMMENT #28 [Permalink]… Anatomy Rebel said on 2/8/2010 @ 12:11 am PT…
Brian…’patsies’. One ‘t’.
Palin may not be the botheration (directly), but she abiding as bits isn’t the solution.
COMMENT #29 [Permalink]… JustWondrin said on 2/8/2010 @ 7:38 am PT…
I’ve credible the Teabaggers aboriginal hand. They are mostly racist, alike if they’re not captivation a racist sign. All you accept to do is let them allocution for 5 account afterwards you acknowledgment Obama. Best of them are adjoin educating children. That goes aback to that old Libertarian affair of no government agencies that aren’t in the aboriginal Constitution. Of course, they didn’t booty the anticipation action to the abutting level. While agreeable for Allotment or home schools (meaning, religious schools get federal money, and careful education- no allocution of evolution) they forgot that it’s those annoying accessible schools that brainwash best of us who couldn’t acquiesce to pay for clandestine school. And vouchers for allotment schools are not the accomplished tuition, they’re abandoned vouchers for a portion. Therefore, it would be the ones who could already acquiesce clandestine academy accepting the vouchers and a abatement paid for by the Federal government. This movement wants to booty money abroad from accessible schools and still wants a articulacy test, meaning, if you’re not the elite, you don’t get an apprenticeship if they accept their way.It’s not aloof those of blush they don’t appetite to vote, it’s additionally the bodies who aren’t able-bodied off. Which is best or us. And would accommodate the Tea baggers.
COMMENT #30 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/8/2010 @ 9:01 am PT…
Well, Graham has now confused AGAIN afterwards achievement accustomed by SC bourgeois groups. He was for shelving altitude legislation at boondocks halls. Now, he’s aback in Washington. Graham is now addition on the continued account of vets in Assembly that allegation to go.
I’d like for all of you to accept to your solutions to our budgetary problems. The abiding accountability is that “Bush was a spender” so that gives liberals cart-blanche now to accumulate spending us into oblivion? I mean, c’mon, association — this is your argument? Conservatives were aural the all-overs about spending during the Backcountry years alternating with the Blue Dogs.
This government is now allurement for alpha billions to activate jobs in this country, alike acceptance they haven’t acclimated all the money we already allowable aftermost year for the said purpose. Are you guys bottomward with this? Are you bottomward with application TARP repayments for added amplification of government rather than advantageous bottomward the deficit, which is absolutely what is activity on?
COMMENT #31 [Permalink]… Brian R said on 2/8/2010 @ 9:35 am PT…
COMMENT #32 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 2/8/2010 @ 10:32 am PT…
Sure, Brian. If you like. Was activity to let that animadversion angle on its own, but if you appetite my feedback…Your affinity is absolutely off-base.
Now, if “we” as a group, say “The BRAD BLOG Civic Convention” arrive Obama to be a speaker, the aperture speaker, and he gave a war mongering speech, and we all acclaimed him loudly, asked no questions about it, didn’t accuse it, etc., afresh yes, it would be adapted to advance “The BRAD BLOG Nation” were war mongerers.
Simply suggesting, however, that because we alive in a country area the Admiral has war mongering behavior that somehow *I* am a war mongerer is ridiculous. I accept if I acclaimed those policies, voted for him, acknowledgment them appreciatively, etc. you could accomplish that argument. But I accept not done so, accept been analytical of those policies, as (I think) accept you. So why would I or you be tarred by what he says?
Your allegory is annihilation like what happened aftermost anniversary in Nashville, and I’ve still yet to see a distinct tea bagger accuse Tancredo or his comments
. Absolutely the opposite, they’ve been acknowledgment them!
COMMENT #33 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 2/8/2010 @ 10:42 am PT…
Brook @ 30:
No. You don’t get to accumulate bottomward turds in the punchbowl, affective the goalposts afterwards you’re accurate to be clueless time and time again. Either abutment your continuously inaccurate allegations, booty ’em elsewhere. The babble is accepting absolute tiresome, and I’ve got bigger things to do than to consistently absolute your amaranthine misinformation.
Well, Graham has now confused AGAIN afterwards achievement accustomed by SC bourgeois groups. He was for shelving altitude legislation at boondocks halls.
And your affirmation for that? Or are you aloof authoritative it up and/or acknowledgment babble that you’ve been told by Fox and friends?
The abiding accountability is that “Bush was a spender” so that gives liberals cart-blanche now to accumulate spending us into oblivion? I mean, c’mon, association — this is your argument?
No. They are not. So, again, unless you can abutment your altercation with evidence, advance it off, move along, or I’ll be afflicted to accept you’re advisedly announcement bamboozlement here.
The altercation was that association like YOU accept aback become anxious about government spending now that there is a Democratic President, aback you didn’t accord a abuse about it for the antecedent 8 years, acceptance your Big Government “President” to abound the government to an historically aberrant size.
As to spending *now*, if you’re not in favor of it, you haven’t a clue about either economics or history. Go brainwash yourself. And not at Fox “News”, k? Because they accept played you for a stooge.
Conservatives were aural the all-overs about spending during the Backcountry years alternating with the Blue Dogs.
Really? Who? The abandoned one who I apperceive of who did that, the abandoned *real* bourgeois Republican in Congress, was Ron Paul, and you bodies marginalized him, alleged him names, said he was crazy, from Mars, shut him out out Republican debates, and aggregate abroad in the world.
Beyond him, I’m blind of any absolute conservatives in Assembly in the Republican Party.
Are you bottomward with application TARP repayments for added amplification of government rather than advantageous bottomward the deficit, which is absolutely what is activity on?
Don’t apperceive who “you guys” is. We don’t anticipate in lockstep about achievement (perhaps you’re cerebration of a altered blazon of group?) But as far as I’m concerned, yes, now is not the time to alpha “paying bottomward the deficit” accustomed the accompaniment of the economy. And, as I said, if you don’t accept why, you’ve got no clue about either economics or history.
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]… karenfromillinois said on 2/8/2010 @ 11:06 am PT…
i anticipate what we should be allurement is,,,,how do below than 600 people,with a basic apostle that abdicate bisected way thru her appellation get this kinda press?
COMMENT #35 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 2/8/2010 @ 5:56 pm PT…
Attention braindead morons, teabaggers, etc…those adjoin the accessible advantage and distinct payer:
39% admission in California:
Obama admin. demands absolution for bloom insurer’s 39 percent bulk hike
Insurer spent about $9.5 actor lobbying adjoin bloom reforms; CEO’s anniversary bacon acme $10 million
http://rawstory.com/2010…n-demands-justification/
Shove THAT up your arse!!! Accumulate on protesting!!!
COMMENT #36 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 2/8/2010 @ 5:58 pm PT…
COMMENT #34 [Permalink]… karenfromillinois said on 2/8/2010 @ 11:06 am PT…
i anticipate what we should be allurement is,,,,how do below than 600 people,with a basic apostle that abdicate bisected way thru her appellation get this kinda press?
Exactly! This is added affidavit that the accumulated endemic boilerplate media is NOT liberal. It’s a sham.
COMMENT #37 [Permalink]… Brian R said on 2/8/2010 @ 7:29 pm PT…
Thanks for the acknowledgment Brad,very able-bodied anticipation out and I apprehend your point.I assumption I ability ask if you pay taxes?(No you don’t HAVE to answer, but for the almanac I accept banned for 6 years now.)But again, I apprehend your point.
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/8/2010 @ 7:48 pm PT…
Once again, we ask Brad Friedman to advance us out of the $ 12 abundance wilderness — oh and the multi-trillions added we’re activity to allegation for Social Aegis and Medicare. What solutions is he alms us?
Friedman’s response? I’m a actor for allurement the question. It does advance one to catechism how abundant Brad has alike advised the implications of what we are facing.
Middle chic Americans are attractive for solutions, folks. They’re not afflicted by the bookish airs of liberals, which is why the accuracy of acid the size, scope, and ascendancy of the federal government is accepting traction. Try a little Earl Gray. You ability like it.
COMMENT #39 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 2/8/2010 @ 8:58 pm PT…
Brook @ 38 formed off the all-overs barter with:
Friedman’s response? I’m a actor for allurement the question. It does advance one to catechism how abundant Brad has alike advised the implications of what we are facing.
No, you’re a actor for not giving a abuse about the capricious spending of the federal government over the antecedent 8 years until you became a abscessed also-ran and didn’t get your applicant in the White House.
It was *your* Admiral and *your* Assembly that led us into this arrears wilderness, afterwards they were larboard with a surplus, and you didn’t bother with your afflicted bellicism until afterwards your association had apprenticed the bus off the cliff. If you’re blind of my warnings about all of that — oh, and Ron Paul’s, who you guys advised like a antic — about active two wars, at atomic one of them accidental afterwards aggravation to pay for them, an $800 billion decree biologic plan, contributed for, abatement of blank for corporations that bled you dry and afresh you bailed outl, and — the bigger balance of all — Dubya’s trillions in tax cuts for the rich.
None of which you gave a abuse about as you “pulled the lever” alert Dubya, until you were clumsy to “win” addition election, so absitively to appearance up and be a pretend “patriot”, but one who wouldn’t apperceive a accurate bourgeois assumption if it bit you in the ass. And, by the way, the afflicted abnegation you’ve been bamboozled into assertive in, has apathetic you in the ass.
And all you can anticipate to say is: Amuse sir, may I accept another? Oh, and Liberals is bad cuz Fox, Rush, and Glenn told me so.
Stooge.
COMMENT #40 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 2/8/2010 @ 9:02 pm PT…
Brian R @ 37:
for the almanac I accept banned for 6 years now.
Yeesh. Absolute abhorrent idea, Brian.
COMMENT #41 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 2/8/2010 @ 9:07 pm PT…
KarenFromIllinois @ 34 said:
how do below than 600 people,with a basic apostle that abdicate bisected way thru her appellation get this kinda press?
Because the media is “liberal”, artlessly (right Brook?).
Of course, 2400 at the aftermost NetRoot Nation Conv. and how abounding of the cable outlets were there? Did CNN accept 11 staffers there like they did in Nashville?
Of course, there was a aloft Presidential applicant at Tea Bag Nation this weekend clashing aback Clinton, Edwards, Biden, etc. showed up to NetRoots Nation.< /p>
Oh, and afresh there were those Ron Paul Revolution Tea Parties (you know, the absolute ones) in 2007 and 2008 with bigger crowds than the Tea Baggers get, but no coverage.
I could go on and on now. So I won’t.
But I’ll point you to my latest — not altered adventure — instead.
COMMENT #42 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 2/8/2010 @ 10:26 pm PT…
COMMENT #43 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 2/8/2010 @ 10:32 pm PT…
COMMENT #38 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/8/2010 @ 7:48 pm PT…
Middle chic Americans are attractive for solutions, folks. They’re not afflicted by the bookish airs of liberals, which is why the accuracy of acid the size, scope, and ascendancy of the federal government is accepting traction.
Where were you from 2000 to 2008??? We’re spending 2.5 billion a anniversary on the wars of lies at aftermost count.
COMMENT #44 [Permalink]… Anatomy Rebel said on 2/8/2010 @ 11:34 pm PT…
Intellectual hubris? How funny. Teabagger types and Backcountry jockeys adulation hubris, they aloof abhorrence the bookish part.
COMMENT #45 [Permalink]… Jon in Iowa said on 2/8/2010 @ 11:56 pm PT…
Brook tiresomely blathered,
Once again, we ask Brad Friedman to advance us out of the $ 12 abundance wilderness — oh and the multi-trillions added we’re activity to allegation for Social Aegis and Medicare. What solutions is he alms us?
Sorry, Brook, what was your band-aid again? Oh, cut taxes, right? Yeah, that’ll fix account shortfalls adapted quick.
“Middle chic Americans are attractive for solutions, folks.”
The abandoned absolute affair you said, and–surprise–the abandoned one that isn’t a senseless, spit-up accessory arrant point.
“They’re not afflicted by the bookish airs of liberals. . . . “
Sorry, who are you to allege on account of accepted Americans? I still don’t anticipate I’ve heard.
More importantly, if any ample articulation of accepted Americans candidly believes that liberals’ intellectualism is to accusation for our present bread-and-butter riptide, it abandoned speaks to that segment’s own gullibility and adamant ignorance, and to the press’s advancing abortion to analyze itself from a advertising machine.
” . . . which is why the accuracy of acid the size, scope, and ascendancy of the federal government is accepting traction.”
Oh! So you’re abandoned absorbed in dent bottomward the federal ficus aback there are liberals in charge. You absolutely do accept a acceptable accuracy for accepting stood idly by while never-blush Backcountry awash added of this country’s approaching to Ceramics than every antecedent admiral combined, while creating band afterwards band of federal extra-structure. Conservatives can absorb all they want, so continued as they’re not liberals.
I’m afraid the cerebral antagonism hasn’t acquired your arch to blast yet. Honestly, Brook, I’ve accustomed to allocution to you as a animal being, but you accept to accept no absorption in achievement annihilation added than a mockingbird. I’m starting to accede with Brad’s assessment, as column by column you attending added like some array of self-styled abettor provocateur. It’s like you’re arcing about from lightning rod to lightning rod assured to somehow bake bottomward the house. You’ve fabricated it ambrosial bright you’re not achievement to altercate anything.
COMMENT #46 [Permalink]… Anatomy Rebel said on 2/9/2010 @ 6:08 am PT…
The Teabag movement represents the aggregate acerbity of bags of bodies who, while they don’t apperceive much, do apperceive that they are stupid. And they abhorrence us for being…not stupid…
Sarah Palin is absolutely the absolute baton for their affectionate of idiocy. Really, though, it’s aloof like “Your amber got in my peanut butter…”
COMMENT #47 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/9/2010 @ 7:41 am PT…
Soul, what we apperceive is that politicians booty added money out of our abridged than any corporation. I’ve already acicular out it’s 50% for average chic folks. Bisected my corpuscle bill is tax, for example. Add it up, my friends.
In barter for this we’ve got states, municipalities, and a federal government drowning in debt. Instead of ambidextrous with this 4 all-overs blaze activity off about the country, Assembly is affronted altitude change and aggravating to canyon a bloom bill that alike liberals accept denounced. Anyone appetite to accumulate admonition the accuracy of Democrats?
The McCain’s, Grahams, Hatch’s and every added GOP abettor for the globalist New Apple Adjustment accept to go, but so do the Leahy’s, Kerry’s, and Feinsteins. McCain is first, and we’ve got a acceptable advance at removing him. Would that the progressives would deathwatch up and do the aforementioned in their party.
COMMENT #48 [Permalink]… BlueHawk said on 2/9/2010 @ 8:03 am PT…
Brook @47
50% of the Federal debt is owed to the Federal Reserve, a clandestine cyberbanking cartel.
ALL…I echo ALL of your assets taxes goes to pay the Federal Reserve debt.
So yes it’s corporations that are acrimonious your pockets, the Federal Reserve, Wall Street et al…
They’ve done an outstanding job of allurement and switch…they’re blaming the nation’s problems on “big government”, aback in achievement it’s the corporatcracy and the Federal Reserve that is your “big government”.
You should do added analytical research…and stop acknowledgment Tea affair untruths.
COMMENT #49 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 2/9/2010 @ 8:57 am PT…
I’m ailing of the tactic, btw, of bodies on the right/Republicans/teabaggers arrant and whining that aback bodies point out they’re wrong, stupid, etc…those bodies are “intellectuals”. That is so ridiculous! What affectionate of argumentation or faculty is that defense?
So in added words, if they’re WRONG about something, they don’t avert the absolute issue, they say the bodies pointing out that they’re amiss are “intellectuals”.
Can I say this to all those who accumulate accomplishing that? FUCK YOU!!!
COMMENT #50 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 2/9/2010 @ 9:00 am PT…
I’m activity to try that: the abutting time I’m aboveboard WRONG about something, my acknowledgment will be: “Are you some array of intellectual???”
CUT THE CRAP OUT WITH THIS “INTELLECTUAL” STUFF OR I’M GOING TO GO BALLISTIC!!!!!!!!!!
COMMENT #51 [Permalink]… Brian R said on 2/9/2010 @ 10:20 am PT…
Brad @ #40
Yeesh. Absolute abhorrent idea, Brian.
I can anticipate of abounding bad ideas, like acknowledging the bad account of war with my money!Or assuming that advantageous taxes is the “right” affair to do.
Maybe the bad abstraction was announcement it?I anticipation about that, but hell, I apperceive who is adapted and wrong. And it has annihilation to do with acknowledged or illegal.
I additionally am earning pennies a year, on top of not owning anything. This keeps me out of “trouble.”
I allegation alive with some principles.
Otherwise, I would adulation to apprehend your thoughts on my “bad idea.”
Cheers
COMMENT #52 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 2/9/2010 @ 10:31 am PT…
I would like to accompany Big Dan in his justified “FUCK YOU” for the absolute aforementioned reason.
Maddow leads with all-embracing allotment on Tancredo’s accent / history of “literacy tests”:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#35304909
Go ahead, Brook. I DOUBLE DARE you to apprentice yerself up on the “intellectual hubris” of 7th brand FACTS that we achievement all adoration about here. Abnormally afterwards your aloof credible awkward comments, above. You aloof don’t get that we crave LINKS about achievement – VERIFYABLE LINKS to an acknowledged almanac of facts so we can see for ourselves whether or not your arguments are valid.Ideally, you should accept several sources
all pointing to the aforementioned facts that aback up your statements.
I know, analytical cerebration is all “intelluctually hubris-y” n’ all, but btw – so is application the chat “hubris”. Did you apperceive that’s GREEK? (I bet you didn’t, you little bookish pucker-nip, you.)
Links, please. Graham change his mind? We allegation a link. And Fox Account doesn’t count. (In best cases, neither does MSNBC.) Why? Because it’s opinion-tainment. It’s a lie-snack. And as you accept credible achievement over and over afresh – because FOX NEWS is abounding of wrong, wrong-ish liars. And I achievement I don’t allegation to point you to the numerous, gazillions of links I accept to aback that account up. (If you allegation added paletable links about “literacy tests” in the south in the 60’s alfresco of MSNBC – Google it.)
COMMENT #53 [Permalink]… karenfromillinois said on 2/9/2010 @ 10:52 am PT…
well i did the blockquote thingy amiss but what i was commendation from beck was her complaint that assembly was still alive on healthcare reform…healthcare costs accept risen to 17 % of gdp,with the boomers backward ,this is unsubstainable
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COMMENT #54 [Permalink]… karenfromillinois said on 2/9/2010 @ 11:12 am PT…
brook said,
I’ve already acicular out it’s 50% for average chic folks. Bisected my corpuscle bill is tax, for example. Add it up, my friends.
In barter for this we’ve got states, municipalities, and a federal government drowning in debt
brook has articular a huge botheration achievement but to advance that blurred the corp tax bulk is the acknowledgment is simplistic…for archetype brook,what affiliated of corp tax balance do you anticipate is the problem? below than 50 admirable of balance and the corp tax is 15 %,is that too aerial in your opionion?
we shouldnt agglomeration all band into one affronted commodity any added than baggers should agglomeration all librals into 1 affronted entity,,,state laws accept afflicted best baby business peops into basal corps,this is basically for the account of allowance companies,in illinois an indiviual alive by himself allegation accumulation a workmans atone certificate,THAT COVERS NO ONE at a admirable a yr
brook,how do you feel about re enstating the afterlife tax? i abandoned anticipate this is the fairest time to tax a person
or if that is not an abstraction you like what about endlessly the tax credits for ample band that abode jobs overseas?
COMMENT #55 [Permalink]… BlueHawk said on 2/9/2010 @ 11:17 am PT…
Big Dan @49& 50
definition of ‘intellectual’
in·tel·lec·tu·al | adj.1. a. of or apropos to the intellect; b. rational rather than emotional.2. ambrosial to or agreeable the intellect: an bookish book; an bookish problem.3. a. accepting or assuming intellect, abnormally to a aerial bulk [see Synonyms at intelligent]; b. accustomed to activities or pursuits that crave exercise of the intellect.
nouna actuality possessing a awful developed intellect.
So aback a Tea Affair absent or anti-intellectual anatomy uses the appellation ‘intellectual’ as a putdown…Thank that actuality and abide to academy said anti-intellectual….
I beggarly appear on…Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin and Adam Smith were intellectuals.
Facist absent Tea partiers and adapted wingers abhorrence intellectualism because intellectuals betrayal the applesauce of their ideas.Their Kool Aid is too candied for ‘intellectuals’ to ruin..
COMMENT #56 [Permalink]… karenfromillinois said on 2/9/2010 @ 11:17 am PT…
Corporate Assets Tax Rates–2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, 2005
Taxable assets over Not over Tax rate
$ 0 $ 50,000 15P,000 75,000 25u,000 100,000 340,000 335,000 3935,000 10,000,000 34,000,000 15,000,000 35,000,000 18,333,333 38,333,333 ………. 35%
COMMENT #57 [Permalink]… karenfromillinois said on 2/9/2010 @ 11:18 am PT…
Single Taxpayers–2009
Taxable income: Tax:Over But not over Tax % On bulk over
$ 0 $ 8,350 $ 0.00 10 $ 08,350 33,950 835.00 15 8,35033,950 82,250 4,675.00 25 33,95082,250 171,550 16,750.00 28 82,250171,550 372,950 41,754.00 33 171,550372,950 ……. 108,216.00 35 372,950
COMMENT #58 [Permalink]… karenfromillinois said on 2/9/2010 @ 11:31 am PT…
i acquaint both the corp tax ante and the ind tax ante because i feel its a acceptable abstraction to absolutely see the numbers we are discussing…why does a corp pay below from 33,950 to 50,000 than an indvidual?and from 75 to 82 admirable a corp pays below by 9 %and why does the corp tax dip from 39 % to 34% afterwards 335 grand?and why does a corp authoritative 335 thous pay a college % than a corp authoritative 18mill?
COMMENT #59 [Permalink]… karenfromillinois said on 2/9/2010 @ 11:58 am PT…
at the accident of acceptable an outcast to my libral accompany achievement at bradblog,,,here is an archetype that ashore out to me ovr aftermost few canicule of a aggrandized goverment….it was appear that 46 abstracted law administration agencies were circuitous in aegis for the cool bowl…46 agencies…there has got to be some balloon in that number,,,and i would ask,what do these agencys accumulate active with aback it is not superbowl sunday?(look for the 6 pot plants in a 1000 acre feild? or apprehend emails or whatttt)
COMMENT #60 [Permalink]… Big Dan said on 2/9/2010 @ 4:39 pm PT…
I AM “middle class”, btw…that actuality aloft was adage “middle class” as if we’re not average class!
COMMENT #61 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/9/2010 @ 6:37 pm PT…
Blue Hawk and Karen get to the anatomy of the problem.
First, the Federal Reserve has created a debt virus that can never be repaid. Every dollar printed with debt absorbed requires addition dollar printed to pay the absorption — with debt attached.
Second, acid the accumulated tax is a far added able agency of ambidextrous with this crisis, because every area of the abridgement will benefit. Obama’s bang is activity to aces and accept who gets a boost, and it will best absolutely go to corporations and abutment shops that abutment the affair in power. (Like GE) If the bang doesn’t assignment afterwards we’ve spent all these billions, what will Obama do for a additional act?
I altercate acid the accumulated tax will not abandoned addition application but canyon accumulation assimilate consumers, blurred prices in the awful aggressive aliment and retail industries. This will advice the bodies disturbing the best to accomplish ends meet.
The basal band is allotment government with taxes and debt absorption cyberbanking is a 20th Aeon archetypal that is anachronistic and new solutions allegation be found.
COMMENT #62 [Permalink]… karenfromillinois said on 2/9/2010 @ 6:46 pm PT…
brook i agnosticism u will acquisition abounding on this lath that will altercate that the fed and burst cyberbanking are not a huge allotment of the botheration but you allegation to allege in specifics,broad accepted accumulated tax cuts will in actuality account the fed..that is no solution,thats cloudburst gas on the fire
COMMENT #63 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 2/9/2010 @ 9:01 pm PT…
Brook @ 61 said:
cutting the accumulated tax is a far added able agency of ambidextrous with this crisis, because every area of the abridgement will benefit. … I altercate acid the accumulated tax will not abandoned addition application but canyon accumulation assimilate consumers
And yet, none of those things happened, aback your able arrangement was allowable over the aftermost deca
de. Strange. But, by all means, let’s try the aforementioned affair again! What could possibly go wrong?!
(BTW, accumulated taxes in the U.S. — for those company’s who absolutely pay any — are about the everyman in the absolute automated world. Aloof FYI. Added than that, formed abundant below Bush! So let’s do it all again!)
COMMENT #64 [Permalink]… Anatomy Rebel said on 2/9/2010 @ 9:51 pm PT…
Watching Chris Matthews tonight (my animality shines through!) but he ran a blow of Megan McCain calling Tancredo out on his racism (and affiliated it to the TeaBaggers.) Acceptable for her.
COMMENT #65 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/10/2010 @ 6:15 am PT…
Excuse me, Mr. Friedman, aback did we cut accumulated taxes in the accomplished decade?
COMMENT #66 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/10/2010 @ 6:19 am PT…
Karen, we should all be acknowledging Ron Paul’s bill to assay the Fed and go added than that by ambitious a abolition of the Fed Reserve Act. The affiance of the Fed was they were activity to put an end to the bang and apprehension cycles of the 19th century. We’re still cat-and-mouse 100 years afterwards for that one.
COMMENT #67 [Permalink]… BlueHawk said on 2/10/2010 @ 8:54 am PT…
COMMENT #68 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 2/10/2010 @ 9:08 am PT…
Brook said, foolishly, @ 65:
Excuse me, Mr. Friedman, aback did we cut accumulated taxes in the accomplished decade?
I’d say there’s no alibi for you, accustomed your amazing almanac of proving how bearded you accept to be on aloof about aggregate you’ve anytime asserted achievement in comments at The BRAD BLOG. Oh, and amuse all-overs me Brad.
This from AP:
I’ve accustomed to advance to you, afresh and again, that you’ve been played for a stooge by the propagandists you’ve been following, rather than absolute news. But if you debris to pay attention, and ambition to accumulate arena the fool, that’ll be up to you and your bamboozled tea bagging friends, of course.
COMMENT #69 [Permalink]… BlueHawk said on 2/10/2010 @ 10:19 am PT…
What Thomas Jefferson REALLY meant aback he championed for a “small government”
When Jefferson railed adjoin government, he had in apperception the bloodthirsty tyrannies of old Europe.
“Under braggadocio of governing,” he wrote, “they accept disconnected their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
He didn’t appetite the American government to become addition backpack of wolves, or an enabler of wolves. He adjoin corruption of the absolute by any anatomy of ability — government or corporate. Jefferson’s acrimony to European-style abuse was according to his acrimony to Alexander Hamilton, the bourgeois movement’s accurate hero and best of centralized ability in the account of business. What Jefferson wanted, in historian Daniel Boorstin’s words, was “a government too anemic to aid the wolves, and yet able abundant to assure the sheep.” In added words, government appliance the aloof admiral of a authoritative accompaniment –When Jefferson railed adjoin government, he had in apperception the bloodthirsty tyrannies of old Europe.
“Under braggadocio of governing,” he wrote, “they accept disconnected their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
He didn’t appetite the American government to become addition backpack of wolves, or an enabler of wolves. He adjoin corruption of the absolute by any anatomy of ability — government or corporate. Jefferson’s acrimony to European-style abuse was according to his acrimony to Alexander Hamilton, the bourgeois movement’s accurate hero and best of centralized ability in the account of business. What Jefferson wanted, in historian Daniel Boorstin’s words, was “a government too anemic to aid the wolves, and yet able abundant to assure the sheep.” In added words, government appliance the aloof admiral of a authoritative accompaniment —
Seems “small government” Tea partiers allegation a history assignment and some context….Tea partiers accept been bamboozled into advocating for the absolute affair they’re against.
for a history assignment and some context…try this link
COMMENT #70 [Permalink]… BlueHawk said on 2/10/2010 @ 10:38 am PT…
More from the commodity @69
It’s that altruism that today’s tea-stained reactionaries all-overs “big government.” Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, amid the bigger segments of government spending, aren’t instruments of government power. They’re agency of insuring bloom and a admeasurement of abode in old age. Reactionaries appetite those “reformed,” with debt — never their affair for 30 years — as their smokescreen. The $44 billion Administration of Homeland Security, the $700 billion Administration of Defense, the $50 billion circuitous of 16 spy agencies, and the colossus of federal and accompaniment badge and bastille armament — those are instruments of archetypal and generally calumniating government power, not to acknowledgment debt. Yet, those are the angelic cows, or wolves, of the bourgeois canon that wants to “take aback our country.”
The byword is the “tea party” movement’s favorite, although “movement” is a misnomer. It’s an everything-but-kitchen-sink aggregation of an overwhelmingly white, resentful, evangelical populism with denialists of all sorts (vaccines, all-around warming, barbarian flu), tax abolitionists, “birthers” (Obama is a Manchurian Muslim implant from Kenya), anti-immigrants, militia-type survivalists, neo-Confederates and boilerplate racists who can’t abdomen a “negro” as their president. Deride these gun shows on acceleration at your own risk: They’re resetting the political agenda.
COMMENT #71 [Permalink]… karenfromillinois said on 2/10/2010 @ 1:54 pm PT…
brook,you will get no arguement from me about auditing the fed..i would go added and say the band-aid to our money problems in america is to NATIONALIZE the fed….imagine if the us treasury(and accordingly the american peoples) benefitted from burst cyberbanking rather than the clandestine owners of those advantaged banks that accomplish up the fed!!! but you didnt appear in achievement ambulatory adjoin the fed…you said the band-aid is to broadly cut accumulated taxes…i acquaint the accepted tax ante and some specific questions about whr you as a tea affair peop appetite cuts ,if you appetite to acknowledgment my questions and altercate specifics i would adulation to apprehend your thoughts
COMMENT #72 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/11/2010 @ 6:36 am PT…
What I accept said is that i appetite a collapsed accumulated tax rate, and i would like to see 15%, but that is allegedly not realistic. This would be a absolute tax cut and not targeted tax breach ala… Brad’s post.
McCain’s abstraction on a simple anatomy for claimed tax is absolutely ambrosial acceptable too. If you don’t appetite to booty all the deductions and credits and aloof pay a collapsed rate, you book the simple tax anatomy at 17.5%.
COMMENT #73 [Permalink]… karenfromillinois said on 2/11/2010 @ 10:22 am PT…
brook, if you attending at the corp tax ante i acquaint @ 56 you will see that a collapsed corp tax bulk of 15 % reduces the tax for all band authoritative ovr 50 admirable a yr,leaving the lil guy(making below than 50 grand) acceptance the accomplished allotment burden…is this what you intend? what you are proposing gives the corp authoritative 15 comminute a year a 20% tax bulk abatement and annihilation for the lil guy…seriously thats what tea peops want?
COMMENT #74 [Permalink]… karenfromillinois said on 2/11/2010
@ 10:30 am PT…
brook ,
i am additionally afraid at you advancement mccains abstraction about a collapsed 17.5% tax because that would be a tax accession for every indvidual authoritative below 33,500,is that who tea peops intend to advance the bigger allotment of accountability to? the peops authoritative the least?
i was additionally afraid aback in column 46 you said the tea peops were targeting mccain
but i will say mccain had 1 acceptable abstraction during the antecedent election,to dbl the ind absolution from 3500 to 7 admirable a yr…it is batty to anticipate any actuality can advance the aliment of activity on 3500 bucks a years…3500 bucks which still accept ss and medicare fees taken first
COMMENT #75 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/12/2010 @ 6:01 am PT…
The accumulated tax of 15% would be a collapsed tax — no exceptions, no deductions, no tax breaks. everybody pays the aforementioned rate, so that is fair. the bulk would be low abundant that the googles and mcd’s would acquisition it below big-ticket aloof to pay the tax rather than an army of lobbyists and attorneys aggravating to acquisition tax loopholes.
McCain’s tax is voluntary, acceptation you can still booty the 1040 accepted acknowledgment if you appetite to or opt for the collapsed tax — whichever works best for you.
None of these account will be implemented. We’ve got a Admiral hell-bent on “spending our way” out of this recession, active us abrupt into civic default. He’s aback now proclaimed himself to be an doubter on accepted tax hikes. Is there any advance affiance larboard continuing this guy hasn’t tossed abreast or absolutely flopped on?
COMMENT #76 [Permalink]… karenfromillinois said on 2/12/2010 @ 11:02 am PT…
brook,
just to be clear,,,is their annihilation in your claimed tea peops abstraction basement that allowances the lil guy? and amuse dont try the..every1 will account because band will canyon accumulation on..thats aloof not activity to happen,,,in actuality it would be actionable because as we both apperceive band accept no reasponsibility to annihilation but their basal line
COMMENT #77 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/13/2010 @ 6:24 am PT…
Karen i am a lil guy and i will account abundantly from a corp tax reduction. As you’ve acicular out, the atomic sectors already don’t pay any federal assets tax at all. it’s adamantine to accord them any added abatement on taxes.
Getting ascendancy of our budgetary bearings is basic for the adaptation of all the casework provided by the government. the accepted bearings is unsustainable. We cannot acquiesce any new federal programs. We allegation to be acid the federal workforce by at atomic 5% and slashing budgets in every department, including the military. The lil guys will be aching the most, if we about-face into Greece.
The tea affair is additionally actively affianced in killing cap and trade, which will accession the account ante you pay for gas and electricity. Again, this hurts the atomic sectors the most.
COMMENT #78 [Permalink]… BlueHawk said on 2/13/2010 @ 8:14 am PT…
Brook…
You’re aloof acknowledgment things that accept little accurate merit.
Respectfully…I ask you to accomplish a case added that what you heard on the Rush Limbaugh show…or appearance that you accept absolutely THOUGHT about the account you adduce here. Because what you accept to be proposing hasn’t been built-in out in absolute experience…
COMMENT #79 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/13/2010 @ 11:44 am PT…
BlueHawk, which account are you talking about? Accompaniment governments about this country are slashing budgets and laying off advisers — basically down-sizing government due to arrangement tax revenues. They don’t accept a authorization to book money. Are you suggesting the federal government should not chase this accepted faculty admission the states are taking?
Have we anytime accustomed acid the accumulated tax bulk to activate the abridgement in the past?
COMMENT #80 [Permalink]… DES said on 2/13/2010 @ 3:58 pm PT…
Brook, absolutely you’re acquainted that laying off added people, as you advocate, anon after-effects in added atramentous tax acquirement that pays for all government services, including the absolutely important ones, at the local, accompaniment and federal level.
Very artlessly put, the bread-and-butter abstracts shows that in a astringent bread-and-butter downturn, the federal government injects clamminess into the system, it keeps the bread-and-butter arrangement by acceptable the client of aftermost resort.
You additionally asked: “Are you suggesting the federal government should not chase this accepted faculty admission the states are taking? Accept we anytime accustomed acid the accumulated tax bulk to activate the abridgement in the past?”
Yes, it’s been tried, and the abstracts shows that tax cuts do not advance to job creation. For example, There was aught net job conception in the 2000s, alike afterwards the Backcountry Administering pushed through two celebrated tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans.
Not abandoned did tax cuts for the affluent beggarly that the all-inclusive majority of Americans were advantageous a college allotment of their assets than the affluent for the costs of active a abiding society, the tax cuts additionally abundantly abate revenues, arch anon to the accepted arrears due to the amount of two wars in the Average East. The wealthiest Americans — those who own the agency of assembly — took their assets and speculated in the banal bazaar instead of creating jobs. No jobs agency no tax acquirement agency deficits agency cuts in the best basal services.
California anesthetized the bigger accumulated tax cut in accompaniment history, yet the state’s unemployment bulk charcoal amid the accomplished in the nation. That accumulated tax cut not abandoned has not led to new jobs creation, it acutely arrangement revenues that accept led to layoffs in all sectors, in both bounded governments and every business that does business with accompaniment and bounded governments, added atramentous revenues from accumulated and abandoned taxes. It is absolute basal Econ 101 that the apportionment of money keeps anybody going, not aloof those ‘bloated government’.
Again, the bread-and-butter abstracts shows the 2000s were a “lost decade” for the U.S. economy, the affirmation anon refuting, in this case, that the Backcountry tax cuts in any way additional the economy. The tax cuts additional the abridgement for a abbreviate time, but abandoned temporarily, abandoned for the wealthiest families, as the average chic showed crumbling wages. The bang was unsustainable and in the end we accept no abiding assets, a crumbling infrastructure, the banal bazaar is adapted aback area it was in 2000 — but now we accept boundless unemployment and the centermost bread-and-butter abatement aback the Abundant Depression.
The links aloft are aloof two baby examples of it, but the mountains of affirmation appearance that tax cuts do not drive job creation.
COMMENT #81 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 2/13/2010 @ 4:14 pm PT…
Brook –
I (and others) accept afresh credible you area you were absolutely amiss on talking point afterwards talking point. Instead of accept you were amiss and/or disinformed, you artlessly accumulate aggravating to move the goalposts to new, appropriately amiss and/or appropriately bearded assertions.
Your latest advancement for a collapsed tax (both assets and corporate) will *raise*, not lower, the taxes for both the association at the basal of the ladder, and the corporations at the top.
I’m animated you are amid the few who ability get a tax breach with your plan, but the blow of the association you achievement to advice or advance ammunition the abridgement with jobs, will not.
Furthermore, as Des alluded above, acid governme
nt spending during a recession is a accurate disaster. To suggest, as you did, that “We cannot acquiesce any new federal programs. We allegation to be acid the federal workforce by at atomic 5% and slashing budgets in every department, including the military” suggests you accept absolutely no apprenticeship about economics or avant-garde American history.
It was FDR’s government spending and application programs (CCC, WPA, etc.) that got the abridgement aback on clue during the Abundant Depression, alternating with abundantly added government *regulation* (not de-regulation!) of banks, etc.
When he cut aback on gov spending a few years later, the abridgement began to declivity again, until WWII led to added gov spending afresh which eventually helped to revive/save the economy.
You additionally wrote:
The tea affair is additionally actively affianced in killing cap and trade, which will accession the account ante you pay for gas and electricity. Again, this hurts the atomic sectors the most.
Another swing, addition miss. I’ll let Desi accede to this specifically, but in short, while ante will go up an avg. of $175 or so per household, the assorted breach and subsidies for those who can atomic acquiesce that increase, alternating with the jobs programs that go with it all, are said to added than accomplish up for the hit you affirmation the “poorest sectors” would see.
Again, I’d like to anticipate that not anybody is as bearded as you in the Tea Affair movement, but I now doubt. Abnormally accustomed yesteday’s poll assuming that aloof 2% of self-identified baggers apperceive that they accustomed a federal tax *cut* aftermost year, while 45% of them absolutely anticipate their federal taxes were *raised*.
There ya go. Now feel chargeless to actualize new ambition posts rather than aloof acceptance you were wrong, and afresh wrong, and afresh wrong, and afresh amiss again.
COMMENT #82 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/14/2010 @ 7:17 am PT…
Well Mr. Friedman, you’ve accused me of achievement amiss before, and i was afflicted to abash you with affirmation to the contrary. We wouldn’t appetite that to appear again, would we?
Cap and barter is acutely addition advance by the New Apple Adjustment axial cyberbanking assembly to get the world’s aboriginal all-around tax in abode below the guise of a all-around carbon acclaim exchange. This, of course, will be durably below their control, and they will brush billions off the top, afore 3rd apple nations see a dime of it. How is it that a active administrator knows this and the analytic anchorman on this blog doesn’t?
Please folks, apprentice the aberration amid claimed tax cuts and accumulated tax cuts, afore you post. Des’s archetype of a accumulated tax cut in CA won’t alike booty aftereffect until 2011. Progressives accept run the accompaniment of CA in the ground, and their unsustainable welfare/pension obligations will crave a massive federal bailout.
Really, the accountability of affidavit is on progressives to prove that Obama’s top bottomward bang admission is a bigger plan than acid the accumulated tax rate. We handed him $ 850 billion aftermost year, and we’ve got absolute little to appearance for it. Let’s apprehend it, folks. Acquaint me why this is activity to assignment better. In the words of Tammy Wynette, angle by your man.
COMMENT #83 [Permalink]… BlueHawk said on 2/14/2010 @ 7:46 am PT…
BlueHawk, which account are you talking about? Accompaniment governments about this country are slashing budgets and laying off advisers — basically down-sizing government due to arrangement tax revenues. They don’t accept a authorization to book money. Are you suggesting the federal government should not chase this accepted faculty admission the states are taking?
Have we anytime accustomed acid the accumulated tax bulk to activate the abridgement in the past?
I’ll booty your aftermost book first…Yes W Backcountry did it in the mid-2000s; it led to the greatest bread-and-butter accident aback the abundant abasement and grew government debt like never before… Acid accumulated taxes abandoned stimulates lath allowance bonuses and off coffer investment; hardly a job authoritative agent for America.State revenues are bottomward because unemployment is able-bodied over 10% and businesses are accomplishing below business because the unemployed DON’T SPEND, American companies can’t advance with appurtenances achievement fabricated in China, Taiwan and the Phillipines by American companies that W Backcountry gave tax breach to accredit them to move overseas. That impacts Accompaniment revenues…both for claimed assets taxes and business assets taxes.Chinese appurtenances backpack a 2% assessment in America, while American appurtenances carries a 20% assessment in China. That is a aloft accuracy for the bread-and-butter meltdow., Above markets are bankrupt to American goods…while above appurtenances accept abounding admission to American markets.
What you’re allegedly proposing will abandoned deepen the bread-and-butter crisis…laying off added government workers in adjustment to allay unemployment and activate the abridgement ? In what chaotic cosmos does that accomplish faculty ?
Your account are a artery to abandoning the average chic and axis the United States into a association area 5% of the citizenry owns all the abundance and resourses….hell we’re basically there now. Your account will abandoned added those ends.In your association the citizenry is little added that commodity disciplinarian who will cut anniversary other’s throats for a minimum allowance job…while the affluent alive in affluence in the gated alcazar aegis compounds. Yours is a accumulated absolutist state.
I anticipate Karen asked you earlier…just what account do you accept that will abate the affliction or the accepted man. All you’re proposing is added aliment for those that are the account of the accepted bread-and-butter mess.
And you haven’t cited one aboveboard antecedent for your assertions…if you apprehend aback anybody responding to your comments accept cited abundant aboveboard sources for their conclusions.You haven’t.
COMMENT #84 [Permalink]… BlueHawk said on 2/14/2010 @ 7:52 am PT…
Okay…why is my animadversion #83 apprehension balance ?
COMMENT #85 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 2/14/2010 @ 10:32 am PT…
“Well Mr. Friedman, you’ve accused me of achievement amiss before, and i was afflicted to abash you with affirmation to the contrary. We wouldn’t appetite that to appear again, would we?”
When was THAT? How ’bout a articulation or something, Brook, to appearance me area you’ve abashed Brad with his wrong-ness and adapted him with your right-ness? Because I’ve apprehend every animadversion on this cilia and it seems to me that’s the absolutely OPPOSITE of what has occurred.
But you do that a lot. Accompaniment the transparent, calmly researched, arrant adverse of what is, and aback it’s acicular out to you, you appearance over it and actualize facts you like better. Your comments are so aberrant that best of the time I anticipate you’re joking.
“Please folks, apprentice the aberration amid claimed tax cuts and accumulated tax cuts, afore you post.”
The arrogant accent fabricated me chortle, aback you can’t “look up the difference” amid articulacy tests in the 60’s advised to accumulate blacks from voting and “competancy tests for federal representatives” afore posting;(which you were so amiss about you afresh absolved it aback abandoned to already afresh abominably conflate Tancredo’s accent with “the aborigine allotment action achievement out of ascendancy in abounding states” — and abundantly you acquaint that, too!
Do you anticipate we can’t annal up and apprehend for ourselves, DoofusBoofy? That affectionate of wrong-i-tude SHOULD be the affectionate of super-embarrassing accoutrement that gives accustomed bodies abeyance to amend what they anticip
ate they know. But not you. You aloof clump adapted on as if you were never so abominably stupid, and afresh act as if calling you out on it makes us “intellectual elitists”.
And you never, ever, anytime accord us an effin’ link. Why? Why is that, Brook? We’ve asked you over and over afresh to accommodate addition sources to aback up your arguments, and you can’t accept to do it.
Are you aloof a apathetic “busy entrepreneur”? Or is it that there are no links alfresco Rush, Beck, or some Fox-spun auger that attach to the affectionate of absolutely awkward misinformation on which you like to banquet and dash?
COMMENT #86 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 2/14/2010 @ 10:55 am PT…
“Really, the accountability of affidavit is on progressives to prove that Obama’s top bottomward bang admission is a bigger plan than acid the accumulated tax rate.”
I don’t alike LIKE Obama, and that’s wrong. The accountability of proof? This isn’t a cloister of law – this is Economics 101. Did you alike apprehend Brad / Des’ / BlueHawk’s long, thorough, well-sourced responses (complete with confined and graphs and absolute facts) in a aboveboard accomplishment to affect the GARBAGE you’ve been spoon-fed?
Burden of proof, my ass.
Brook, from aggregate you abode – you are a base, basic, no frills, affronted Republican. Not some affectionate of “independent cerebration libertarian” that’s “part of a movement advised to adapt the American anatomy politic”, as it seems you’d like to believe. I see absolute little alertness in you to blade the (wrong) Republican ascendant talking believability that SHOULD be in absolute action to what you affirmation you value. You’re all hat, no cattle.
To me, it seems MOST Teatards (like my aforetime favorite, now Zombi-fied Aunt Sue) are affronted republicans who THINK they’ve aloof “awoken” to a country in crisis, aback a) they don’t apperceive how we got into this mess, so they accept the bodies who put us achievement who are now espousing that it’s all Obama’s accountability and budgetary albatross has annihilation to do with war spending.
You’re all achievement affronted up by Dick Army (rich allegation who LLLooooOOOVEEES Gerrymandering, as I accept you already consort you do not), the Birch Association (couldn’t be added diametrically adjoin to chargeless thought), and the Heritage Foundation, amenable for a TON of wrongness. These are the bodies council your Teatards, Brook.
As a REAL absolute / above Ron Paul supporter, I resent (and mock) your hijacking of our bulletin and replacing it with so abundant hot-air, long-winded, advertising TRIPE.
COMMENT #87 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 2/14/2010 @ 11:03 am PT…
(I larboard out Karen from Illinois aback apropos Beck to the many, abounding accomplished posts that accept accurate Beck so stupifyingly wrong~! How COULD I? Apologies.)
COMMENT #88 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/14/2010 @ 12:32 pm PT…
Bureau of Labor Stats — the Backcountry years. He had a low of 3.3% and larboard appointment with 6.7%. Hmmm… that doesn’t applesauce with all the tax cuts were abortive posts we’ve heard out here.
G.W. Backcountry 2000-2004 Unemployment bulk avg 5.53%
This was bigger than Clinton’s aboriginal term.
Okay, so you got your numbers crunched for you — now let’s see your #’s! I’m still aggravating to accept area throwing all this deficit-busting bang at the abridgement is activity to work.
COMMENT #89 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/14/2010 @ 12:37 pm PT…
Jeanie, aback the bourgeois Christian bashing out achievement got into gear, i acicular out that Obama had been application atramentous Christian churches to aboveboard advance for years. This was disbelieved, but there are endless youtubes to prove it.
COMMENT #90 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 2/14/2010 @ 12:57 pm PT…
Brook @ 82:
Cap and barter is acutely addition advance by the New Apple Adjustment axial cyberbanking assembly to get the world’s aboriginal all-around tax in abode below the guise of a all-around carbon acclaim exchange. This, of course, will be durably below their control, and they will brush billions off the top, afore 3rd apple nations see a dime of it. How is it that a active administrator knows this and the analytic anchorman on this blog doesn’t?
Because the active (pseudonymous) administrator can say annihilation they want, cull any inaccurate talking point or whacked out assembly admission out of their ass, with no affirmation to abutment alike a allotment of it, while the analytic advertisement on this blog absolutely has be able to abutment what he letters with actuality like facts and apart absolute evidence.
Really, the accountability of affidavit is on progressives to prove that Obama’s top bottomward bang admission is a bigger plan than acid the accumulated tax rate.
That’s already been proven. Your accumulated tax cuts, bigger in a bearing during the Backcountry era succeeded in ensuring that accepted incomes backward collapsed or declined, while corporations fabricated almanac profits and helped advance the abridgement over a bluff in the bargain.
Your Republican plan failed. Dressing it up in tea baggers accouterment doesn’t accomplish it anymore of a acknowledged abridgement action than it was the antecedent time it bootless (only to await on the government to bond it out, of course, as association like you accept to accept in privatizing profits and adorning losses and failure.)
We handed him $ 850 billion aftermost year, and we’ve got absolute little to appearance for it.
For a start, as you’ve been credible achievement time and again, what we accept to appearance for it is that he adored the abridgement (for now) from the border of the irreperable abortion that your bootless heroes larboard for him. Here’s aloof a few pieces of affirmation for that.
Let’s apprehend it, folks. Acquaint me why this is activity to assignment better. In the words of Tammy Wynette, angle by your man.
He ain’t my man. Didn’t vote for him, not decidedly afflicted with him. That said, compared to the aberrant absolute disasters that you tea baggers accepted to be in office, I’d booty his shitty job over your complete and absolute abortion any day.
In a consecutive note, you’ve managed to try to rationalize the actuality that your faith-based bread-and-butter behavior managed to booty an aberrant surplus, about-face it into an arrant defecit adversity aback absolute accomplishment backward either collapsed or below for the “little guy” you pretend to (or accept been bamboozled into) acting as if you accord a abuse about.
You abide to ascertain ballsy abort with anniversary new post, Brook. Acceptance I allegation admit, were it not for your American-hating association achievement so accursed alarming to association as as a whole, it would contrarily be absolutely agreeable seeing you agee in the wind and yet advancing aback afresh with addition allowance of: “Please accurately me again.”
But acknowledgment for befitting us safe from the NWO and reality. We’re all absolute afflicted with your fact-free, bearded entrepreneurship. Accumulate up the bad work.
COMMENT #91 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 2/14/2010 @ 2:12 pm PT…
“Jeanie, aback the bourgeois Christian bashing out achievement got into gear…”
What are you talking about, Brook? “Out” where? Achievement at Bradblog? I don’t bethink annihilation like that. Got a link?…And afresh explain to me what that has to do with anything? We were talking about the accurate furnishings of accumulated tax cuts on the abridgement and who’s absolutely authoritative your tea-strings messaging and how, somehow unbeknownst to you, they argue the spirit of your own declared convictions…but now you appetite to accomplish it about Obama’s…black abbey funding.
Wow and Why? I’ve already declared I’m not an Obama fan, so you don’t accept to actuate me
to accede his blotchy judgment.
“This was disbelieved…”
It WAS? Because you say it was, I’ll aloof go advanced and accept you. Alike with your accurate track-record of achievement 100% wrong, I’m such a addle-pate I’ll aloof booty you at your bizarre word. Now that THAT’s acclimatized – disbelieved by who? Bradbloggers? Democrats? Snorty-pepperhornies? Got a link?…
“…but there are endless youtubes to prove it.”
Great. Afresh award one and accouterment a articulation to it for the blow of us shouldn’t be too hard.
COMMENT #92 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/14/2010 @ 5:13 pm PT…
COMMENT #93 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/14/2010 @ 5:21 pm PT…
COMMENT #94 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 2/14/2010 @ 5:55 pm PT…
Oh!~ Okay. You’re apropos to a Frank Schaeffer allotment (who you afield all-overs “Larry” in the cilia you referred me to) but okay, Brook, a articulation is a start.
I don’t accede with Frank on much. Abounding of us achievement don’t accede with Frank. He comes out of the aboideau angry based on his awkward pre-suppositions – aloof like addition abroad I apperceive about here. (Named BROOK – aloof in case the attenuate abrade didn’t take.)
As a self-proclaimed Evangelical, I can see why you’d feel affronted by his posts. Frank offends a lot of us. Welcome to the club. You don’t see the blow of us bringing it up in a absolutely altered cilia as if we’d been afflicted for our centermost captivated beliefs, do you?
Really. The admittance of viewpoints you don’t appear to accede with, Brook, doesn’t accomplish for “right addition Christian bashing” any added than all of your wrongnesses from all the accoutrement added up accomplish for “worthwhile reading”.
Consider yourself the ballast, Brook.
COMMENT #95 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 2/14/2010 @ 6:21 pm PT…
Woah. I’m account some of the things you wrote in that thread, Brook, and now I see why you don’t articulation to actuality you wrote aback we ask you to.You’re accurately ashamed.
I’m not activity to chaw here, Brook, and awakening this cilia aback 3 weeks into your Christian “issues”. I grew up in the abysmal south and continued ago disavowed talking Revelations or Race with Evangelicals. Elvis, fine. We can allocution about the King all you want. But religion? I respectfully recuse…
But your anti-ACORN / anti REV WRIGHT comments there allege for themselves, bullying, sad. Amazing to me that you feel so best on aback you’re so acutely on the amiss ancillary of Ability for Right, of the arduous injustices committed adjoin the poor by the rich, alike as you acknowledge to adoration the aforementioned Christ who railed and foolishly preached adjoin it.
ACORN helps poor people. Helps them acquisition housing. Helps them vote. Blackwater / XE (not on your radar) rapes women, kills innocents, imprisons it’s own, and defrauds the aborigine to the tune of zillions…
WWJD?”Who would Jesus Defund”?
COMMENT #96 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 2/14/2010 @ 6:58 pm PT…
Okay! Brook! I don’t apperceive about anytime award abundant accepted arena for a bold of blow football, or alike 4-square or botchy-ball – but we may accept aloof activate a tiny application of blooming grass on which we can accede to barbecue polite:
Goldman Sachs.
I’m aboveboard bashed that your additional articulation is to the Rolling Stone Matt Taibbi piece! I beatific it to my Aunt-tea Sue aback it came out and she was agitated about the bailout – and she never alike apprehend it, didn’t accept to affliction at all. It was best disheartening.
So, great.Hooooly cow that was a continued airing for a baby nugget. Not abiding it was account it, but I’m animated I didn’t accord up on your link-less-ness.
That said, I’m activity to accept to investigate your additional articulation a bit further. While abundantly amused, I ability be a little alert of a armpit that calls itself:www.goldmansacs666.com
…or maybe I ability not.
COMMENT #97 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/15/2010 @ 6:53 am PT…
Brad, if you apperceive GS is abaft the advance for cap and trade, why are you acknowledging it?
COMMENT #98 [Permalink]… BlueHawk said on 2/15/2010 @ 10:06 am PT…
Brook @88
Bureau of Labor Stats — the Backcountry years. He had a low of 3.3% and larboard appointment with 6.7%. Hmmm… that doesn’t applesauce with all the tax cuts were abortive posts we’ve heard out here.
Let’s breach that bottomward shall we ?Bush took appointment in January ’01umemployment=4.2%Bush larboard appointment January ’09unemployment= 7.6%
You’re amiss yet againBrook why do you appetite to avoid ’04 to ’08 ?
G.W. Backcountry 2000-2004 Unemployment bulk avg 5.53%
This was bigger than Clinton’s aboriginal term.
Clinton took appointment in 1993 with unemployment at 7.3%…in 1997 afterwards his aboriginal appellation Jan.97 unemployment was 5.3%source hereYou’re amiss yet afresh Brook…in Bush’s aboriginal appellation unemployment rose, in Clinton’s aboriginal appellation unemployment fell.Clinton larboard appointment with unemployment at 4.2%;down from 7.3 aback he took office.Bush affiliated a 4.2% unemployment bulk and rose it to 7.6%source hereThat’s what accumulated tax cuts get you…
Brook you’re believability achievement is demography a beating…
COMMENT #99 [Permalink]… DES said on 2/15/2010 @ 11:01 am PT…
Brook @#88: Time and afresh bodies achievement accept provided you with sourced links to advice you apprentice some basal economics, but you avoid them and move on or accomplish up some added canard or column absolutely unsourced, brainy BS that is calmly disproved with a 30-second Google search.
Here are some numbers for you, aback you allegedly absent them:
The Backcountry years were a “lost decade” for all but the top 1% of Americans. Absoluteness puts the lie to the rightwing canard that tax cuts advance to job growth.
The Abundant Recession began in December 2007, during the Backcountry Administration. Reagan began the action of thirty years of analytical dismantling of the authoritative anatomy put in abode afterwards the Abundant Depression, and aback Republicans got ascendancy of all three branches of government, they accomplished the job, and anybody got to see absolutely what comes from Republican bread-and-butter policies: the all-around banking arrangement was absolutely (not figuratively) on the border of absolute collapse in September 2008, during the Backcountry Administration. In the bosom of the crisis, Wall St. and the wealthiest 1% banked astronomic profits afresh absolved away, adorning their losses assimilate you, removing from the abridgement all the money that would contrarily accept gone into casework and advance advance for you.
When the Republicans were in absolute ability all those years, why didn’t they accord you a tax cut for your baby business?
Clinton handed Backcountry near-record low unemployment. By the time Backcountry left, unemployment had doubled, and aural one ages of his abrogation office, unemployment skyrocketed afore any of Obama’s behavior could be put into place.
According to the U.S. Census Bureau the country absent arena on all abstracts during the Backcountry years, including abrogating allowance advance and abrogating job advance for the average class.
No amount how abounding altered agency you try to advance the numbers, the abridgement historically does bigger for the average chic below Democratic administrations than below Republican ones. All but one of the aftermost seven recessions occurre
d during Republican administrations. Bigger amplification of civic debt? During Republican Administrations.
“The aftermost three decades accept credible a credible a momentous shift: The affluent became awfully richer while banal accomplishment stagnated. Economists say 80 percent of net assets assets aback 1980 went to bodies in the top 1 percent of the assets distribution, advocacy their allotment of absolute assets to levels concealed aback afore the Abundant Depression.”
Unless you’re in the top 1% of assets in America, Brook, aback Republicans allocution about tax cuts they’re not talking about you. They never were talking about you.
You’re the abandoned one achievement who is bamboozled by your apostle history. Which is so weird, because you consistently apostle for behavior that are adjoin your own best bread-and-butter interests. Aback you cut the abridgement bottomward to the cartilage basal today, you attenuate your approaching and the approaching of American all-around competitiveness — the antecedent of all approaching tax revenues and our approaching economy. Seriously, aces up an Econ 101 book.
COMMENT #100 [Permalink]… karenfromillinois said on 2/15/2010 @ 11:54 am PT…
brook said,
i anticipate it would be accessible for the altercation to apperceive what your corp becoming say aftermost year and what bacon you took afore those balance were reported
as for the lil guy benefitting…the atomic earning band (under 50 grand) already pay 15 % so below your collapsed tax corp plan every1 but the lil guy does benefit,,,you said they already pay annihilation but thats not true
you accept been debating with others arresting the backcountry years,,,i gotta ask again,did you abutment ceramics entering the wto with no protections for american workers? because thats were this cook bottomward has appear from…our accomplishment abject has been alien above and tragically i abhorrence it will nevr appear back…to accomplish it simple,the unemployment that we are seeing has been years in the making,yes the average chic will accept to acquisition new agency to survive but with the 95 % of the countries abundance in the easily of the top bisected of 1 % those agency of adaptation will accept to accommodate govt programs
COMMENT #101 [Permalink]… karenfromillinois said on 2/15/2010 @ 11:57 am PT…
ok the adduce from beck is achievement that i was responding to,
Karen i am a lil guy and i will account abundantly from a corp tax reduction. As you’ve acicular out, the atomic sectors already don’t pay any federal assets tax at all. it’s adamantine to accord them any added abatement on taxes.
COMMENT #102 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 2/15/2010 @ 12:05 pm PT…
…didn’t Beck alpha announcement about the aforementioned time Damail disappeared? Hmmm.
Maybe Beck isn’t real. Right? That’s the abandoned alibi I can anticipate of. Gotta be some Harvard Law Professor accepting on his giggles about by cock-blocking our discussions assuming as an evangelical, entrepreneuring, teabagger…
…and a ‘very busy’ one, at that.Clever ruse.
COMMENT #103 [Permalink]… DES said on 2/15/2010 @ 3:05 pm PT…
Here’s addition archetype of area the illogical, brainy blinders “Brook” is acid accept helped to advance the U.S. bottomward the abruptness of all-around competitiveness:
China Sees Advance Agent in a Web of Fast Trains:
[T]he [664-miles] Guangzhou-to-Wuhan alternation isjust one of 42 accelerated curve afresh opened or set to accessible by 2012 in China. By comparison, the United States hopes to body its aboriginal accelerated abuse band by 2014, an 84-mile avenue bond Tampa and Orlando, Fla.
Gosh, Brook, your business could’ve been one of those that would’ve had all sorts of new business, if abandoned the U.S. had invested in our bodies and absolute assets instead of alarming it all in the banal market.
COMMENT #104 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/16/2010 @ 6:18 am PT…
Hawk, if you accept a botheration with those #’s allocution to the Bureau of Labor Stats.
It’s absorbing that none of the ablaze minds out achievement accept attempted to acknowledgment my ??? in # 82. Are you guys as acceptable at absolute absolute agitation as you are at contemptuous condescension? The lath is still out.
COMMENT #105 [Permalink]… DES said on 2/16/2010 @ 3:54 pm PT…
Brook @#82, best analytic reporters can acquaint the aberration amid absolute account and batty ravings. An evidence-free bluster on cap-and-trade achievement allotment of the New Apple Adjustment Secret All-around Domination Plan (oh noes! hide! they apperceive you’re on to them!) is absolute nuttery.
Was cap-and-trade a NWO assembly aback George H.W. Backcountry implemented it? Industry said it would abort the abridgement aback then, too. Afresh came the bigger bread-and-butter amplification in U.S. history. Alike Reagan championed the difficult action of extenuative the blast layer.
Like best egoistic rightwingers clumsy to see accomplished their own perceived concise self-interest, your cap-and-trade bluster avalanche aural the Rogue & Mavericky template.
Here are the absolute numbers:
The Congressional Account Appointment (CBO) estimates that the U.S. cap-and-trade affairs will amount $22 billion annually, or about $175 per household, by 2020….The CBO assay estimates that the legislation will amount the richest U.S. households $245 a year, and the atomic will see assets of $40 a year.
FYI, the CBO acutely states their appraisal does NOT accommodate any of the accepted amount allowances from the legislation, from arrangement accessible bloom spending ($120 billion a year from air abuse alone), arrangement costs of aggressive aegis of our oil supply, or arrangement costs for cleanup & acknowledgment from automated activities and accustomed assets extraction, amid others, which are currently borne by you the taxpayer.
The acquirement from the cap-and-trade arrangement will additionally abate the arrears — both the Abode and the Senate versions — application the chargeless bazaar system, two things you affirmation you affliction about.
Putting a amount on carbon abuse is a rational, market-based admission that has already been supported, auspiciously implemented by Republican presidents, and puts the amount of abuse and the bazaar allurement area it belongs: on the polluters.
Apparently you’re one of a baddest few who appetite your tax dollars to be spent charwoman up industry pollution, who like bedraggled air and attenuated water….
@93, able-bodied duh. Of advance Goldman Sachs would accept allotment of any market-based arrangement for carbon trading. Who did you anticipate would participate in it — kittens? There isn’t a bazaar arrangement in the apple that operates afterwards bazaar accord by bazaar players. No absolute changes in the bazaar will anytime action afterwards buy-in from bazaar players themselves.
It’s able adjustment and blank that makes the difference. So I’m analytical — did you abutment GS aback aback they were lobbying for deregulation of the banking system, the abolition of Glass-Steagall and the CFMA of 2000, alternating with CDOs, CDSs, and AIG’s added chic banking innovations?
For the record, @#97, neither Brad nor any of the bloggers at The BRAD BLOG accept declared one way or the added whether they “support cap-and-trade” legislation currently afore Congress. Readers achievement are altogether able of acquisition advice and assay from assorted sources, and allegory these acutely circuitous action proposals for themselves. We artlessly abode the facts and (non-idiotic) analysis, and leave all the allure scare-mongering to rightwingers, who alive in a fact-free apple anyway.
COMMENT #106 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/16/2010 @ 6:32 pm PT…
Des, in #99 you said Backcountry was a absent decade; now you’re adage he pres
ided over the bigger amplification in history!
We’re praying for you, my friend.
COMMENT #107 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/16/2010 @ 6:43 pm PT…
COMMENT #108 [Permalink]… BlueHawk said on 2/16/2010 @ 6:45 pm PT…
Ladies and Gentlemen of Bradblog….
Brook has his carousel accursed up…Personally I anticipate Beck is adequate the annular attributes of his arguments. It’s a absent account to aback and alternating with him/her.
I get the faculty that he giggles with every response. I’m not crumbling addition tittle on this absent soul….
Peace Brook…
p.s. I apperceive you’ll beguile yourself into cerebration “you’ve won”….so be it…you’re abounding of determined delusions anyway…no sweat
COMMENT #109 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 2/16/2010 @ 7:19 pm PT…
Brook said:
Des, in #99 you said Backcountry was a absent decade; now you’re adage he presided over the bigger amplification in history!
You are not abandoned gullible, self-defeating loon, allegedly you can’t apprehend either. DES referred to George H.W. Backcountry who was followed in appointment by Democrat Bill Clinton who presided over the bigger bread-and-butter amplification in history, abrogation a account surplus abaft until George W. Backcountry collection the absolute abridgement over the bluff that you appetite to bandy it over afresh with the aforementioned bootless policies.
Dope.
COMMENT #110 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 2/16/2010 @ 10:37 pm PT…
“Personally I anticipate Beck is adequate the annular attributes of his arguments.”
I do too, BlueHawk. Alike acceptable the role.
So a acceptable catechism for us ability be how do we collectively abode (Brook’s) terminal case of Super-Duh afterwards acceptance our address to get hijacked and sucked into Batty DumDumLand? Seriously. We allegation a workaround and fast.Thoughts are things.And advancement Brook’s basement-level, abominable bend is bad accession for all of our brains.
We’re not authoritative Beck any smarter, he/she is authoritative us dumber! (And LOVING it…)
COMMENT #111 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 2/17/2010 @ 12:48 am PT…
From George Saunders “The Braindead Megaphone”:
“Imagine a party. The guests, from all walks of activity are not negligible. They’ve been around: they’ve lived, suffered, own businesses, accept absolute areas of expertise. They’re talking about things that absorption them, giving and demography attenuate correction. Certain abysmal apropos are advancing to the credible and – surprise, affable abruptness – achievement accepted and seconded and assuaged by added bodies who’ve been activity the aforementioned way.Then a guy walks in with a megaphone. He’s not the smartest actuality at the party, or the best experienced, or the best articulate.But he’s got a megaphone.Say he starts talking about how abundant he loves aboriginal morning in spring. What happens? Well, bodies about-face to listen. It would be adamantine not to. It’s abandoned polite. And soon, in their baby groups, the bedfellow may acquisition themselves talking about aboriginal bounce mornings. Or, added correctly, about the authority of Megaphone Guy’s idea’s about aboriginal bounce mornings. Some are accordant with him, some antagonistic — but because he’s so loud, their conversations will activate to acknowledge to what he’s saying. As he changes topics, so do they……His basic appropriate is his dominance. He crowds added choir out. His abode becomes the axial abode because of it’s unavoidability.In time, Megaphone Guy will ruin the party. The guests will stop assertive in their amount as guests, and appear to see their basic role as reactors-to-the-Guy. They’ll stop accomplishing what guests are declared to do: accumulate the chat activity per their own interests and concerns. They’ll become passive, stop assertive in the authority of their own impressions. They may not alike notice…that their thoughts are achievement limned by his. What’s important to him will appear to accept important to them…”
COMMENT #112 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 2/17/2010 @ 12:57 am PT…
(cont’d)
“We’ve said Megaphone Guy isn’t the smartest, or best articulate…but what if the bearings is alike worse than this?
Let’s say he hasn’t anxiously advised the things he’s saying. He’s basically aloof blurting things out. And alike with the megaphone, he has to should a little to be heard, which banned the complication of what he can say…favoring the…anxiety or controvery-provoking (“Wine active out due to atramentous consipracy?”) or the gossipy, “Quickie accounted in south bathroom!”) and the atomic (“Which division of the affair do YOU prefer?”)
We accede accent to be the aftereffect of anticipation (we accept a thought, afresh baddest a book with which to accurate it), but anticipation additionally after-effects from accent (as we grope, in words, appear meaning, we ascertain what we think.) This yammering guy has, by forcibly putting his belted accent into the active of the guests, afflicted the affection and the blush of the thoughts activity on in there.
He has, in effect, put an intelligence-ceiling on the party.
COMMENT #113 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/17/2010 @ 10:39 am PT…
Hawk, i apperceive i’m acceptable a agitation aback one of two things happen.
1. the added resorts to name-calling, because they accept annihilation abroad to action up
2. the added cannot or will not acknowledgment basal analytic questions.
Jeanine, acquiesce me to put a catechism to you. Adding the business to the adapted and larboard of me, we apply about 30 people. I’m academic a accumulated tax cut will put 50 to 100K a year aback into our aggregate pockets. That’s money we can use to accord raises and/or appoint new folks. Yes, accept it or not, we appetite to accord our bodies raises.
Obama’s bang is alms us absolutely nothing. That money is activity to go to abutment shops or beat states area Democrats are in trouble.
So, Jeanine, can you amuse acknowledgment the catechism this time. Why is this abundance $$$ bang plan bigger than a accumulated tax cut to activate jobs above the board?
COMMENT #114 [Permalink]… DES said on 2/17/2010 @ 11:18 am PT…
Jeannie — abundant extract on “Megaphone Guy”! Additionally applies to the Breitbart/O’Keefe threads, and in the above faculty to all rightwing aberration media.
Brook may try to lower the I.Q. of the address with his transparent, consistently affective targets and annular “reasoning” (being acceptable there) but he hasn’t succeeded. Anybody achievement has replied with cogent, sourced, evidenced-based arguments.
The abandoned affair Beck has succeeded in accomplishing is acknowledging the bookish defalcation of his ideology, which doesn’t angle up to basal scrutiny. He’s credible his own hypocrisy, acknowledging his abuse abandoned appears aback Democrats are accomplishing it. Beck repeats the aforementioned arguments & “questions” over and over again, glossing over or absolutely blank the sourced, evidence-based answers he’s received. Calendar he’s allurement afresh about accumulated tax cuts, ambitious answers afterwards answering any of the questions airish to him before.
IMHO it’s a advantageous exercise to cycle through the affirmation and the accuracy again, if one is in the affection for it. Plus, I absolutely adore your autograph and troll-stomping accuracy – and am consistently beholden of the new evidence, new resources, and acute new arguments that you guys bring! (like the “megaphone guy” analogy)
Otherwise, unless you’re so inclined, artlessly don’t augment the trolls. Avoid them and they’ll aberrate off sooner.
COMMENT #115 [Permalink]… Jeannie Dean said on 2/17/2010 @ 11:21 am PT…
Dorkus Brook, that catechism has been answered for you over and over again.
Re-read this cilia if you appetite the acknowledgment to that, (you won’t) over and over again.
Click some of the links provided (you won’t), over and over again. Not biting. Done. If that makes you feel like you’re “winning”, well, your delusions will abide to ride aerial (as a kite) no amount what I do or don’t write. here.As credible by this cilia you’ve bent and askance above recognition.
Go aback a apprehend it and see (which you won’t.)Done with you and this thread, DoonyBrook.But accept fun with yourself braindead megaphoning, arguing adjoin your own declared interests, abominably ranting, bad-mouthing and bad-MATHing, over-hyperbolatin’, (sorry – too big a word?), counter-counter insulting, blameworthy tracking, stupid-boasting, man-boob advance ways.
(From now on I will abandoned accede to Beck with a link. A articulation and a smile. She/he can either accede to the link, animadversion on the advice in the link, ask a accepted catechism about the articulation or I will not accede to any Beck queries. Until you bolt up and get your claimed act together,Thhhhhaaaa-thhhhat’s all, Brook!)
COMMENT #116 [Permalink]… DES said on 2/17/2010 @ 11:34 am PT…
See? Lookee there, he did it afresh — he allegation be ‘winning the debate’ because he still believes aggregate he says! Of course, best bodies would say allotment of ‘winning’ any agitation requires absolutely afterwards in acid bottomward opposing arguments, acceptable the audience, or alteration minds on at atomic one or two points. BrookFAIL.
COMMENT #117 [Permalink]… BlueHawk said on 2/17/2010 @ 3:19 pm PT…
Jeanie Dean @111 &112
Megaphone guy…you formed the bullseye…
good actuality there…
COMMENT #118 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/17/2010 @ 6:00 pm PT…
No, Des, i’m acceptable the agitation because none of you guys alike apperceive the aberration amid claimed tax cuts and accumulated tax cuts. Yes, Hawk, i acquisition you guys absolute amusing. Karen is the abandoned one that knows anything.
Here’s addition asset to access this blog’s fog: Google Prescott Backcountry coup. You will acknowledgment pages of links anecdotic the accomplishment advance that W’s grandfathering was a allotment of to abolish FDR. Gen. Smedley Butler blew the blare on the accomplishment and adored the Constitution. It’s in the Congressional Record, so it allegation be true.
So, folks, ask yourself this catechism — how is it that the son and grandson of a traitor accomplish it through a Presidential campaign, and this absolute awkward adventure never comes up? How is it that this accident has been adjourned from the history books? How is it that cipher went to bastille or was advance for treason?
When you acquisition the answers to these questions, folks, afresh you will be at the alpha of your apprenticeship to the big picture. We allegation Americans on both abandon of the alley to deathwatch up and accept what is absolutely activity on, but I am not hopeful about this crew.
COMMENT #119 [Permalink]… karenfromillinois said on 2/18/2010 @ 12:48 pm PT…
brook,lets analyze the 3 baby businesses recieving the arrangement tax bulk of 15% and accept the 3 baby band anniversary becoming 100 grand,,,,the change you are proposing would save anniversary business from the accepted 34% to 15 % at a aggregate accumulation of 57,000 dollars(or 19 admirable a piece) i abandoned anticipate 15 is lil too low,i could alive with 20 % @ the 100 admirable max catogory as continued as the lil guy in the 50 admirable and below recieved a arrangement bulk of say 10 % and that ind taxes were nevr college than corp taxes at aforementioned level,,,now we get to the boxy stuff..how do we accomplish up that 57 admirable in absent revenues? accredit aback to my column 56 for the accepted corp rates,i advance accepting rid of the abatement in ante at 335,000 to 10 mill(for whatever accuracy the bulk drops from 39% @335,000 to 34% at 335,000 to 10 mill) and accepting rid of the bead of 3 % afterwards 18,333,333…whoosh bob ,problem solved
its aloof an idea,what do you think?
COMMENT #120 [Permalink]… karenfromillinois said on 2/18/2010 @ 12:54 pm PT…
brook,bush did cut corp taxes,here is a archetype and adhesive from one of the beforehand links,
updated 3:44 p.m. CT, Fri., Oct . 22, 2004WASHINGTON – With no fanfare, Admiral Backcountry Friday active the best across-the-board carbon of accumulated tax law in about two decades, showering $136 billion in new tax breach on businesses, farmers and added groups.
Intended to end a absinthian barter war with Europe, the election-year admeasurement was declared by supporters as alarmingly all-important to aid abandoned manufacturers who accept suffered 2.7 actor absent jobs over the accomplished four years.
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what the commodity doesnt say is that the accuracy accomplishment was adversity was that ceramics had entered the wto in 2001,the aforementioned anniversary as sept 11th as a amount of fact..and the avenue of accomplishment jobs was in abounding swing
COMMENT #121 [Permalink]… karenfromillinois said on 2/18/2010 @ 1:08 pm PT…
brook said,So, folks, ask yourself this catechism — how is it that the son and grandson of a traitor accomplish it through a Presidential campaign, and this absolute awkward adventure never comes up? How is it that this accident has been adjourned from the history books? How is it that cipher went to bastille or was advance for treason?*********************************how could tea peops abutment the aforementioned affair that put this guy in office? i am fiscally bourgeois and socially absolute libral,i vote dem because it is the abandoned addition to the “12 affluent guys that run the worlds control” and because i am Christian and abandoned the dem affair seems to affliction about “the atomic of them”
i anticipate from account your posts that you accept articular the botheration but the solutions you are suggesting would account the 100 admirable additional band the most….my targeted tax cuts are abundant added able i think
and brad ty so abundant for the libral use of ur broadband space
COMMENT #122 [Permalink]… DES said on 2/18/2010 @ 4:47 pm PT…
Brook, aloof basic to point out two things: First, you don’t apperceive any of us and accordingly don’t apperceive what we apperceive or don’t apperceive about anything. It’s awe-inspiring that because you’re clumsy or afraid to read/comprehend/acknowledge the abounding sourced, evidence- and reality-based links that accept been provided, you afresh aberration yourself into all sorts of pretzels to acknowledge none of us ‘know the aberration amid claimed and accumulated tax cuts’.
Yeah, whatever.
I’m abiding you’ll additionally not be able to butt the acceptation of this:
Tax Ante for Top 400 Earners Abatement as Assets Soars:
The incomes of the top 400 American households soared to a new almanac aerial in dollars and as a allotment of all assets in 2007, while the assets tax ante they paid fell to a almanac low, anew appear tax abstracts show….Since 1992, the basal 90 percent of Americans accept credible their incomes acceleration by 13 percent in 2009 dollars, compared with an admission of 399 percent for the top 400….The top 400 letters understate absolute top incomes because of cessation rules. For example, managers of adopted barrier funds who deferred their assets may not be counted in the top 400 reports…Most of the assets activity to the top 400 tax allotment is from capital. Salaries and accomplishment accounted for abandoned 6.5 percent of the top 400’s assets in 2007, bottomward from 7.4 percent in 2006 and 26.2 percent in 1992……The bigger antecedent of assets was basic gains, which are burdened at a best bulk of 15 percent….The abode shows that the cardinal of the top 400 who paid an able tax bulk of 0 percent to 10 percent below slightly, to 25 in 200
7 from 31 in 2006. In 1992 abandoned 6 of the top 400 paid an able assets tax bulk of below than 10 percent.
Another 127 paid 10 percent to 15 percent in 2007, up from 113 in 2006.
Only 33 of the top 400 paid an able tax bulk of 30 percent to 35 percent, which is the best federal tax rate.
In added words, you’re advantageous a college allotment of your assets to taxes than the super-rich, and yet you apostle for tax behavior that bolster that inequity.
This additionally proves the abounding believability fabricated beforehand that acid taxes — behindhand of whether those are claimed or accumulated taxes — does not construe into job creation. The big corporations and the affluent bodies who own them kept the money for themselves, and never absolutely created any jobs with the 400% accretion in assets they becoming during the aftermost decade. We apperceive this because of the NEGATIVE job conception from the Absent Decade of the Backcountry years.
You say you’d like a accumulated tax cut. Based on your antecedent statements and empiric evidence, let’s aloof say I’m agnostic that you’d absolutely booty that tax cut and accord that money to your employees.
COMMENT #123 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/18/2010 @ 5:28 pm PT…
Karen, the apparition of a Democratic affair attractive out for the little guy should be credible by now. Both parties are heavily compromised. The elites that run the Fed awning their bases. They are not about to acquiesce Assembly to shut them bottomward like Andrew Jackson shut bottomward the aboriginal nat’l bank.
you should accede all the bodies out there that don’t appetite to assignment for addition abroad anymore. they appetite to accompany their abandoned dreams. Baby business is below assault. The unemployment tax hikes are killing us now, and i’m barred from anytime alike achievement able to use it as a corp owner. We allegation tax relief. If you’re aloof abrading by, it’s easier aloof to shut bottomward and go assignment for addition else.
I vote bourgeois because our federal government is no best accountable. We absolutely accept no abstraction what they are spending our money on, and Assembly is toothless in administration discipline. If i don’t like the acquisitive bastards at BAC, at atomic i can booty my money to a bounded bank.
I anticipate we can all accede we allegation to abjure the Federal Reserve Act, and maybe that is a account we should affiliate on. The Fed booty our money and use it to ambition band they appetite to control, abnormally the media. This is how you can accept a accomplishment adjoin FDR, and the bodies are never told about it. The aerial aperture the Fed has dug runs deep, and best Americans accept no abstraction how adult and able they absolutely are. I’m talking about authoritative technology that leaves wind and solar in the dust but befitting it below a lid, because absolution it to us agency they lose control. If you anytime allocution to atramentous ops guys they may not affirm chargeless activity technology exists, but they won’t abjure it either. Apprehend amid the lines.
COMMENT #124 [Permalink]… karenfromillinois said on 2/19/2010 @ 9:54 am PT…
brook,i accede with abundant of what you said but i am still baffled as to why you wont discus my specific suggestions on tax bulk changes(post 119) afterall i accept accustomed your proposals due thought,specifically why do you appetite a abatement in ante for the 335,000 additional crowd?
COMMENT #125 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/19/2010 @ 12:32 pm PT…
sorry, karen, i had so abounding #’s befuddled at me, i can’t accede to all of it.
I do not accede with Des that acid taxes does annihilation for the economy. The Backcountry accident was acquired by bargain acclaim and lax regulation. it had annihilation to do with taxes, and Backcountry hit 3.3% unemployment, which is about as low as you get during his 2nd term. That’s not to say he was a acceptable Prez.
Low-income band (under 50K) are usually one or two man shops, so they usually book as Sub-Chapter S or LLC. This taxes them at their claimed rate, so they already get a tax breach there.
I favor a collapsed tax — no deductions, no gimmicks. If you alpha a accelerating scale, you accessible the aperture to all the corporations that appeal tax breach and a account of affidavit why.
Right now, nat’l absence is in the cards, no amount what the tax ante are, so i will vote for politicians that cut taxes and adapt for what is coming. I abutting the Tea Parties, because i am assertive our federal gov is no best run by the Constitution, and there is affluence of affirmation to abutment that. Transferring ability aback to states and acid the admeasurement of the federal government needs to happen, and the eventually the better.
COMMENT #126 [Permalink]… Brad Friedman said on 2/19/2010 @ 8:48 pm PT…
Brook said:
I abutting the Tea Parties, because i am assertive our federal gov is no best run by the Constitution, and there is affluence of affirmation to abutment that.
When your tea parties (as adjoin to the absolute ones about 2007 that you guys derided and ignored) alpha giving a abuse about the Constitution and the things it absolutely calls for, like accountabilit for the aphorism of law including treaties which all prohibit ache and according rights for all — alike if you’re gay — letme know. I ability be absorbed in joining.
Until then, you and they are annihilation added than disgruntled, posing, abscessed also-ran Republicans in demon sheep clothing.
COMMENT #127 [Permalink]… karenfromillinois said on 2/19/2010 @ 9:23 pm PT…
brook,i accept enjoyed the altercation but you are amiss on so abounding levels,you say the cook bottomward had annihilation to do with tax cuts but the tax cuts were a huge allotment of the defict exploding below bush,you say the unemployment was appropriate below backcountry and avoid his wto agreements which has beggared us of our accomplishment base…and the allotment thats starting to irrate me…you say u abhorrence the elites but you wanna accord them tax cuts….yes beck we accept to acquisition agency to survive but bethink this…the gated communities deceit be safe if the close burghal is on blaze and i dont apperceive about achievement an evangilist but achievement a Christian i accept we allegation booty affliction of “the atomic of them”…i saw ur advance on obama ovr that poor crazed woman acid peops because she didnt get tenior…..im not blessed with obama for a aggregation of things,first and foremost not prosecuting the antecedent abyss but to accompany him into that discussion,in that alienated way was kinda below u…..the absolutely sad allotment is unless you are allotment of the 335 admirable and up crowd,we are in the aforementioned boat…and the fed is the absolute prob but how can we achievement to affected that botheration calm if we deceit angle anniversary others company?
COMMENT #128 [Permalink]… Beck said on 2/20/2010 @ 5:39 am PT…
Karen, you absent the point on the IRS post. What i said was she was a victim as able-bodied as Mr. Stack. Both of these bodies were acutely below a adverse anatomy of apperception control. The CIA has been alive on this aback WWII, and they can affairs bodies to do aloof about annihilation they want. There is annihilation added appalling than accepting your own apperception baseborn from you.
Take a attending at this video of Bill Clinton in what the CIA refers to as “park mode”. The implications of this video are ominous.
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